Have you ever walked away from a disagreement thinking, “Why did I handle it that way?” You’re not alone. We’ve all experienced the regret, frustration, and heartache that conflict can bring.
That’s why I’m so excited to share my latest episode of The Love Offering podcast with you. I was privileged to interview Donna Jones, author of Healthy Conflict, Peaceful Life: A Biblical Guide for Communicating Thoughts, Feelings, and Opinions with Grace, Truth, and Zero Regret.
With warmth, wisdom, and biblical insight, Donna helps us:
✅ Discover the key quality needed to handle conflict well
✅ Communicate thoughts and feelings with grace and truth
✅ Replace harmful conflict styles with healing ones
✅ Prevent unnecessary disagreements
✅ Stay calm—even when others aren’t
Whether you’re dealing with daily frustrations or bigger blowups, this conversation will equip you to navigate conflict in a way that honors God and strengthens your relationships.
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Summary
In this episode of the Love Offering Podcast, host Rachael Adams and guest Donna Jones discuss the often uncomfortable topic of conflict. They explore the nature of conflict in relationships, why many people struggle, and the importance of addressing issues rather than avoiding them. Donna shares insights from her book, ‘Healthy Conflict, Peaceful Life,’ emphasizing the difference between peacekeeping and peacemaking and the necessity of humility in resolving conflicts. The conversation also touches on practical communication strategies, the significance of healing and reconciliation, and the biblical principles that guide us in loving others through conflict.
Takeaways
Conflict is a natural part of life that everyone experiences.
Healthy conflict can lead to closer relationships and healing.
Avoiding conflict often leads to resentment and misunderstandings.
Understanding your conflict style can help in addressing issues effectively.
It’s important to address small issues before they become big problems.
Peacekeepers avoid conflict, while peacemakers seek resolution.
Listening first can diffuse defensiveness in conversations.
Humility is key to resolving conflicts and maintaining relationships.
Healing begins with acknowledging our own mistakes and seeking forgiveness.
Unity among believers is essential and requires effort in conflict resolution.
Sound Bites
“Conflict is something we’re all going to deal with.”
“I wanted so desperately to handle this the right way.”
“We have to disrupt what presents as peace.”
“You are not responsible for other people’s behavior.”
“Lead with listening to diffuse defenses.”
“Humility makes us doorways for conversation.”
“Healing begins with owning our own part.”
“The Lord wants unity among His people.”
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Healthy Conflict
01:27 Understanding Conflict in Relationships
06:01 Why Conflict is Difficult
10:10 Conflict Styles: Avoiders vs. Addressers
12:19 The Importance of Addressing Issues
14:01 Peacekeepers vs. Peacemakers
17:42 Communicating with Grace and Truth
24:48 Knowing When to Walk Away
27:39 Healing and Reconciliation
31:05 The Call for Unity in Conflict
34:13 Biblical Concepts of Love and Conflict
36:36 Closing Thoughts and Prayer
Transcript
Rachael Adams (00:01.258)
My guest today is Donna Jones. Donna is a national speaker, author, pastor’s wife, church planter, and self-described Bible explainer. She helps people know, love, and follow God in real life. She hosts the That’s Just What I Needed podcast. Donna, thank you so much for joining us on the Love Offering podcast. I’m so happy to have you.
Donna Jones (00:52.595)
Rachel, I’m so happy to be here. This is exciting.
Rachael Adams (00:57.386)
So, we’re talking about conflict today. I know it’s not everybody’s favorite topic, but we’re discussing healthy conflict because we’ll all deal with it. And so this is a meaningful conversation. You’ve written a book on the topic titled Healthy Conflict, Peaceful Life. So, was there a personal or ministry-related experience that made this topic especially important to you?
Donna Jones (01:27.31)
Yes, yes. Well, everybody listening has had a conflict. Me included. And as you mentioned in the opening, I’m a pastor’s wife and have been in ministry for decades. And so there’s nothing I haven’t seen. I mean, I’ve seen families in conflict, churches in conflict, friends in conflict, know, parents and child in-laws in conflict. And I’ve seen them go one of two ways. It either goes positively, and then people end up with closer and healed relationships, or they go negatively. And then there’s so much hurt, so much pain, and so much drama. And you know, just personally, I’ve been caught in the middle of some of that. And I opened the book with a chapter called The Day I Wanted to Burn Down the Church. This is an embarrassing story, but I opened the book with this because it’s just so real life. And it’s how we feel, even though it’s not something I would have acted on. My husband and I got caught up in church politics and drama. And Rachel, I, you, you kind of expect nonbelievers to behave a certain way, but you don’t expect believers to behave a certain way, and that can be even more hurtful and more confusing. And that’s what happened to us. And so I was having lunch with my best friend, and I just wanted so desperately to handle this the right way. But by the same token, I was so wounded and hurt that there was a side of me that didn’t exactly know what that looked like. And so I had lunch with my friend. She leaned over and asked, “How are you doing?” I just whispered something I can’t believe came out of my mouth. But I said, “Julie, some days I just feel like I want to burn down the church.” She looked horrified that I would have said that out loud. And she said, “Donna, I highly recommend you don’t repeat that.” And here I am repeating it, yeah.
Donna Jones (03:51.502)
And, you know, I’m writing about it in my book. Yeah, exactly. And I see here’s what I think is that all of us, when we are in conflict, whether it’s just, you know, we’re having a conflict with our spouse, or we have an inlaw that’s driving us nuts, or we are privately having ongoing battles with a teenager, or we find ourselves just losing our mind with a toddler, we have these private thoughts that we, won’t say to anybody, but we just wanted to stop. We want the hurt to stop. We want the conflict to stop. We want the peace to come back. And we don’t quite sometimes know how to make that happen. And so I realized here I was: I love the Lord, Rachel. I’ve been following him for a long time, but when we’re hurt or in conflict, sometimes it’s hard to do the healthy and holy thing. Unless somebody walks us through it, holds our hand, and says, okay, I’ve been there too. I know how hard this is. Let’s look at scripture. Let’s look at God’s words because he has much to say about loving each other well amid real-life conflict. Let’s look at that together and devise a game plan for a healthy conflict and peaceful life, not just constantly live in chaos, drama, or low-grade frustration. And so that was the impetus behind the book.
Rachael Adams (05:33.132)
I can’t wait to discuss this further, but we will take a brief break to hear from today’s sponsor. When we return, we’ll discuss why conflict is so difficult for most of us.
Rachael Adams (05:49.63)
Welcome back. As I mentioned before the break, many people avoid or engage in conflict healthily. So why do you think conflict is so difficult for most of us?
Donna Jones (06:01.271)
Well, I think for two reasons. Number one, no one likes conflict. We don’t like it. Because it brings into our minds all the negative things. But I think there’s even a deeper reason. And I think so many of us believe that conflict is destructive because we never learned how to make conflict turn out good. That’s the turning point when we can do the mind shift and the change in behavior So that we look at conflict in a way that it’s like, okay, This is a real-life thing, but it has the potential to make me closer with someone. So let me give you an illustration, Rachel.
Let’s suppose that you and I have a conflict, and because I don’t like conflict, I want to avoid it with you. So you say something, for instance, that hurts my feelings as a friend. And I don’t say anything about it. I avoid it. But I stew over it. So I’m putting on my makeup in the morning and thinking, why did she say that? I can’t believe she said that. What did she mean by that? You know, I wish I’d said this. Why didn’t I say that? You see, we’re replaying it over and over and over in our minds. But we never address it. So it’s like a brick that gets put down between me and you. And then, after a while, we forget it because life happens. We have to take care of work, kids, Target, grocery stores, laundry, and all that stuff. So we forget about it. But that brick is still there. And then a few months later, Maybe we have another conflict and don’t address it. I don’t say anything because I don’t like conflict, and I don’t know how to make it turn out better. And I don’t even know what I would say. And that’s another brick. And, you know, one brick is laid upon another over time. And then pretty soon, Rachel, I don’t even see you. I see the wall of bricks between us. And then what’s going to happen is I don’t want a relationship with you anymore.
Donna Jones (08:20.096)
And so people do things like they ghost people, they say, you know, I can’t have that person in my life. And sometimes that’s an accurate, positive thing, but not always. Sometimes, it just goes back to how we initially dealt with conflict. Often, this happens in friendships and marriages, and we need to learn, as you mentioned, that people deal with conflict differently. And I have something called the conflict continuum. And on the one side of this conflict continuum are people that are avoiders. They’re the people that are like, I hate conflict. I don’t want it to go away. Can’t we just all get along? I don’t like it at all.
Then, on the other side of the conflict continuum, there are the attackers. And those people are, well, as long as we’re going to have conflict, I’m gonna win and put you in your place. You know, so there’s this continuum. Neither of those is healthy, holy, or biblical. The biblical model is not to be an avoider or an attacker, but it’s the sweet spot in the middle called the addresser. These people have learned to talk about real-life things that understand what’s motivating the conflict in the first place and how to speak the truth in love. So you say what you need to say but in a way that can be heard and received and not make the other person defensive. And those people end up living in a lot of peace, even when conflict happens because we’re human. So that’s where we want to go.
Rachael Adams (10:10.55)
So yeah, so which are you? Well, you’re the addresser now, but where were you before you realized this?
Donna Jones (10:15.882)
I am. Yeah, well, what’s interesting is it would depend, Rachel, on who the person is. So, on my website, I have a free little quiz you can take to find out, you know, what your conflict style is because we all have a primary conflict style. But with some people, I would want to avoid it. And, you know, because I’m a pastor’s wife, it’s like, OK, keep the peace. I don’t want conflict. But I would like to attack other people, maybe like my husband. So it would depend on the person. I would say probably for your listeners; they would probably be nodding their heads and going, yeah, I could see how maybe with my kids I’m different than with my friends or coworkers. However, learning to address things positively is the starting point and key.
Rachael Adams (11:14.474)
Yeah. Well, I know I’m the one that stuffs like my whole family. Just keep putting things under the rug, you know, brush it under the rug. And then eventually there’s like this huge mound of stuff underneath the rug that you’re dripping over, that is, years and years and years of conflict that have never gone addressed, which causes another issue. But now my husband, he always addresses. And so it’s been interesting to have that kind of two personalities to mix. I think I’m growing in this area, and I know today’s conversation will help me continue developing.
Donna Jones (11:49.966)
Yeah, okay, I love that you are aware. And see, that’s the first step, I think, to be mindful of which one we are. If we can identify, we will know which way to move to land in the middle. One of the things I have learned as I’ve healthily navigated conflict is not to make the small things big but not to make the big things small. And here’s what many women do, especially those raised in families like you: we minimize the big things. And we maximize the small things. So we get into these ridiculous arguments over the slightest thing. Your husband left his t-shirt on the floor and didn’t put it in the hamper, or your kid’s shoes are all over the house, and you are fed up with it, so you go ballistic. Know these dumb little things, and then we end up having these big arguments in our house. But then we have things like, you know, disrespect or, you know, addiction or abuse or, I mean, like really big things. And we’re like, heaven forbid we talk about those things. So we have to if we can put it in our mind, not make the small things big, but don’t make the big things small. That is a helpful tool to use when I need to address things and when I need to let them go.
Rachael Adams (13:36.428)
That is such good wisdom. And I was thinking as you’re talking about peace there, and I don’t know who to attribute this to, but there’s something; there’s a difference between being a peacekeeper and a peacemaker. And I think like I grew up in Donna as a middle child, and I’ve always been like, okay, I just want to keep the peace. But that, then it’s like, it affects you internally, and that doesn’t always. That’s not always what’s healthy in the long term. Do you see the difference between those? Do you have anything to elaborate on that?
Donna Jones (14:01.9)
I would agree with that. And that is something I talk about in the book: there is a difference between peacekeepers and peacemakers. And a peacemaker moves toward understanding and resolution. A peacekeeper or a peacekeeper glazes over real-life problems and doesn’t move toward actual peace. Something that I think is important for us to understand is that sometimes we have to disrupt what presents as peace but isn’t to find real peace. So we have to talk about the hard things in a way that can be said. And that’s where I think so many of us get tripped up because we’re like, well, how?
Okay, I understand that if I’m trying to keep external peace in my marriage, extended family, and home, I’m experiencing an internal lack of peace because I know that things aren’t right. And so I’m in my body bearing the weight of that in my mind, in my soul. It’s the stress of trying to manage everybody else’s emotions and feelings, which I have no control over. And that’s a crazy maker when we’re trying to control things we don’t have control over. And so, Rachel, when I was going through this church herd experience, one of the biggest things that I had to learn was that I, and it’s gonna sound so basic, but I had to embrace it. And that is, I was not responsible for other people’s behavior. I was not responsible for their behavior, but I was responsible for mine. And I tended to look at the other person’s behavior, and I would think, if they would stop doing X, I would feel why, or I wouldn’t be tempted to do why, right? And so I was functionally putting the keys to my piece into the hands of someone who may or may not give me the piece that I wanted. That’s an unhealthy thing to do. And I realized like, okay, my piece is not, I can’t give the keys to anybody else, it’s mine. And I can find peace if I choose to handle my relationships as God tells me to. And if they don’t, that’s on them, but I will know I’ve stood before the Lord and handled conflict in the way that he would say, okay, well done. That was a hard situation, but you handled it the way I wanted you to handle it. And there’s a measure of peace that comes from that.
Rachael Adams (17:27.614)
Okay, I can’t wait to continue today’s conversation, but we will take a brief break to hear a word from today’s sponsor. When we come back, we’ll talk about communicating with grace and truth.
Rachael Adams (17:42.654)
Welcome back. As I mentioned before the break, many people feel regret after a disagreement. So, what are some practical ways to communicate with both grace and truth so that we don’t walk away with regrets?
Donna Jones (17:56.558)
Okay, this is a million-dollar question. How do we do it, right? So, let’s get practical. So here’s number one. I’m gonna give you what you don’t do, first of all, because sometimes the most helpful thing for me is knowing what I shouldn’t do. When you’re going to have a challenging conversation, you never wanna start it with, we need to talk. And so if that’s in your vocabulary from this day forward, it won’t be. Because we all know that when someone begins a conversation with those words, automatically our mind goes to defense. What did I do wrong? my gosh, this is going to be a bad conversation. we start, our brains just start reeling to what could I have said? What could I have done? That would precipitate this conversation. So we go into it on defense. And a conversation never goes well when someone enters into the conversation defensively. So, what you want to do is diffuse defenses. The best way to do that is to lead by listening. So let me give you a real-life example, Rachel. So I have a friend who is a long-time friend, and We moved away from each other, but we wanted to stay connected. And so we had arranged to meet for lunch. It was about a 45-minute drive from both of our homes. And I was driving to meet her at this restaurant about five minutes before I arrived. get a text. Oops, probably should have texted you earlier, but I’m meeting my husband for lunch today. Yeah, I know.
Donna Jones (19:46.254)
And I looked down at the text and was like, wait, what? Are you kidding me? I have just driven all this way and will now have to turn around and drive another 45 minutes back. And Rachel, I had emotional whiplash because, on the one hand, I was like, okay, let it go, she’s a friend. But on the other hand, I was like, wow, that was disrespectful. And then I would think, yeah, but. I can’t believe she did that. Like, why would she do that? And then, okay, Donna, don’t get mad. You know, I just had this emotional whiplash, and I thought, how do I address this? Should I address this? And I thought through the implications. If this had been a one-time, one-off thing, I might have just let it go. But a couple of similar things had happened in the past. They are not the same, but they are similar. And I thought, you know what, if I don’t address this, there’s gonna be space for bitterness in my heart, which will affect our relationship. And I don’t want bitterness in my heart, and God doesn’t wish bitterness to be in my heart. So I thought, gosh, I will have to talk about this, but how? So I arranged that we would have a FaceTime conversation. And I started to lead by telling her a little bit about how that made me feel. But Rachel, when I saw her face on the screen, the Holy Spirit just made me stop. And so I led with like, hey, know, it’s so good to see you. I’ve missed you so much.
Which step number one, you always lead with something positive. Like something affirming. Because, again, we want to diffuse. We want to diffuse defensiveness, and we want to validate the relationship. So anything that you can do to validate that relationship, that’s going to help you. And then, and again, this was just really truly the Holy Spirit. I said to her, tell me what happened the other day. Then, Rachel unfolded something that had been happening with her husband that I had no idea was happening. And she said, I had planned on telling you all about this in our meeting and I am, you know, I’m so sorry, you know, that I didn’t get the chance. Well, her information gave me a fuller perspective on the situation. And see, that’s the beauty of leading with listening. When you let the other person go first by just saying, tell me your perspective on what happened. Tell me what you think about such and such. You already have your perspective on the conflict. What you don’t have is the other person’s perspective. So if you lead with listening, you get the whole perspective. And that gives you the tools then to move forward with what you say next.
Rachael Adams (22:56.92)
That is such good advice. And I can, I mean, think of so many times that would have saved so much heartache for me had I done what you were just describing to listen because we come to assumptions, don’t we, about people, and that gave you compassion towards her.
Donna Jones (23:09.986)
It did. And you know, it was crazy because I listened, and I was able to say like, my goodness, I’m so sorry, and we talked about the situation. And then, you know what, I was able to say, do you mind if I share with you how it made me feel? And I told her, I wish you had texted me a little bit earlier, can you understand? And of course, she was like, my goodness, yes, I’m so sorry I didn’t. We ended up having the most beautiful conversation. I realized that happened only because I made a decision to do things the way God tells his kids to do things in the midst of conflict. That is to address and speak the truth in love in a really wise way. Then, you can learn how conflict doesn’t have to turn out badly but can turn out well.
Rachael Adams (24:19.084)
So let’s talk more about God and how, like some biblical examples, there was one specific situation in a relationship that was really difficult for me and actually felt unhealthy. And so I chose to walk away, whether right or wrong. But sometimes, are there situations and times when it’s best to walk away if it’s unhealthy? Is the conflict so intense and so bad that it’s unhealthy for you?
Donna Jones (24:48.778)
Yes, that is an excellent question. And there are times, and here’s how you know the response. When you are, let’s go back to this example, let’s say with my friend. Let’s suppose that I had said, do mind if I tell you how that made me feel? And I had said, you know, it made me feel little disrespected. If she had been defensive and she had projected that back on me, then I would have, it would have given me, that would have given more information about the level of commitment that she has to me and the level of commitment that I wanted to have with her moving forward. So, humility is the number one quality we must have when resolving conflict. It’s foundational, and the book has a whole chapter about what humility means because it is not the same as humiliation. Humility makes us doorways for conversation, not a doormat for exploitation. So, and I think sometimes we get that confused and women just allow themselves to be doormats and they’re like, I don’t want to be a doormat.
How do I navigate conflict? So I’m not. And Jesus in his wisdom, you know, told us, if anyone offends you, you know, go and point out their fault to a brother. And if they listen to you, you’ve won your brother. So it’s if, like, how do they respond? Because in real life, people are gonna hurt each other and have conflict. But if somebody is humble before you and loves you, then they won’t want to be mean to you. Rachel, if you came to me and said Donna, what you said hurt my feelings. And I said, my Goodness, Rachel, I’m so sorry. I would never want to do that to you. Well, you know I’m a safe person. But if I say to you, you’re just way too sensitive, Rachel, get over it. Now, I’m being dismissive of you and turning it back on you. That’s a whole different thing. So, see, every piece of information gives you some wisdom on how to move forward, whether it’s a relationship you want to keep or cultivate. A relationship you may want to keep, but have some boundaries. Or a relationship that you think is not healthy for me in my life at this time.
Rachael Adams (27:29.59)
So what advice would you give to someone who has deeply hurt another person or been hurt themselves? How can healing and reconciliation begin?
Donna Jones (27:39.98)
Yeah, such a good question. Because just as we have all been hurt, and those immediately come to our minds, we’ve also hurt others. And here’s something I’ve been thinking about lately, Rachel: we tend to remember what was done to us because we received that. We took that into our minds, hearts, and bodies. We don’t remember what we did to others because we pushed that out on them. It was released from us to them. And so we don’t remember it as much. And so, but when the Holy Spirit brings to our remembrance things that we’ve done to hurt our spouse, hurt our kids, know, hurt our friend, then it’s our responsibility to go to that person and own it. Jesus even said, if you’re offering, if you’re at the temple and you’re offering, you know, your, your, your sacrifice, and you remember that your brother or sister has something against you, you believe that, and you go. You reconcile with your brother and sister. And I think in today’s culture, we don’t take that as seriously as we should. And there is real healing when someone comes back and says, Hey, you know what? I’ve been thinking about it and how I handled that was really wrong. In fact, let me give you a real life story. I got a text about three weeks ago from someone I haven’t seen in years and she said to me, I have been thinking about something I said to you and the way I behaved with you 15 years ago. Now, 15 years ago, she was 19 years old. And she said, now that I’m mature and I’ve gotten married and I have kids and I’m a mom, I realized the way I talked to you, how I talked about you, and how I related to you was really wrong. And I want to ask your forgiveness. And I was like, wow, 15 years. And I texted her back. I was like, wow, this is so mature, but trust me, I haven’t thought about this. You know, we all do things, do not even let this bother you. But I thought, wow, how mature of her that she took the initiative and how healing that can be. And that, sometimes, the first step in reconciliation is owning our part in the conflict.
Rachael Adams (30:35.69)
Yeah. You know, we don’t live on an island. Most of us do have to; whether we’re married, have children, friendships, workplace relationships, or church relationships, we will be around people, and we will disagree. We’re not all the same people. And so these tools and the advice and wisdom that you have given us are invaluable. And so today, just as people listen to this episode or read your book, What’s one key takeaway? What do you hope for them?
Donna Jones (31:13.344)
I hope for them; I’ve been thinking about this and why I wrote this book. And I thought the Lord wanted unity among his people. And because the Lord wants unity among his people, because, you know, Jesus said, they’ll know you’re Christians by your love for one another, right? And because that is so on the heart of God, the enemy goes into overdrive to make it hard for us to express that. And one of the ways he goes into overdrive is to put barriers between two people in the form of conflict. And then, when people don’t have the tools to handle that, things go from bad to worse. And then the body of Christ isn’t unified, families aren’t unified, spouses aren’t unified, churches aren’t unified, and Satan gets a foothold. And I’m just committed to doing my part to help the body of Christ, to help marriages, to help parents, to help people live out what God has told us to do: love our neighbor as ourselves, right? We must love God first, with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love our neighbor as we love ourselves. And part, Rachel, I really believe, of dealing with conflict in a God-honoring way is first loving God and saying, Lord, this is uncomfortable for me, even just learning these new tools or new ways of doing things. If I’m an avoider to kind of address or an attacker, dial it back and learn to address. But me doing that is saying, Lord, I love you and want to do things your way. Not just on Sunday morning when I’m singing praise songs, but on Monday morning when my kids are driving me crazy or Wednesday night when my husband does something that, you know, that I wish you didn’t do or, you know, Thursday morning when my coworker, you know, disappoints me or whatever, and then following through so that our lives reflect our relationship with Christ. And we have more peace and unity.
Rachael Adams (33:23.468)
I just as you were talking, I was thinking about Adam and Eve and how their sinful choice separated them from God. It was the first conflict. And then they hid, shame, and felt guilty, but what did God do? He pursued them, and he said, where are you? And he, that was a question. And then he listened, right? Like you were talking about, just talking about that, that he pursued them, loved them through it, and forgave them because He did love them, and the same is true for us, you know. He modeled that so well, and so did Jesus. And so, gosh, this conversation is so deep and has been so valuable. You’ve mentioned so much about love, God’s love, and loving other people. Is there another biblical concept of love that you think applies to this topic?
Donna Jones (34:13.908)
Yes, and before I give you that, I wanna say something to piggyback off what you just said because it was Adam and Eve and God. While writing the book, I talked to one of my daughters about this whole concept of conflict, having hard conversations, and working through things. And she said something to me, Rachel, I thought was so wise, beautiful, and helpful. She said, Mom, whenever I’m going to have a challenging conversation, I pray before I have the conversation and say, Lord, let this conversation be between three, not two. And I thought, wow, that is powerful. So to anyone listening, you’re thinking I need to have that complicated conversation with my husband, apologize, or work through something with one of my kids. Before you do it, say, Lord, let this be a conversation between three, not two. And then, to the second part of your question, is there another biblical concept? Know and love your neighbor as yourself. And I tend to think about this in terms of relationships because I ask myself, would I want to experience myself the way the other person is experiencing me right now? So, if I’m talking with my kids, how are they experiencing me right now? Would I want to experience myself that way? If I’m talking with my husband, how is he experiencing me right now? Would I want to experience that? And that, I think, helps for me that’s guardrails like the way I’m saying things, my tone of voice what I’m saying it gives me guardrails like no, I wouldn’t want to experience me that way, and so that’s loving my neighbor as I love myself.
Rachael Adams (36:22.176)
Gosh, that’s so good. I’ve had so many aha moments today, Donna. I feel like I’m going to have to replay this episode over and over again. It’s so good. Okay. So tell us something about what you are living like right now.
Donna Jones (36:35.31)
I love my new down pillow, which I got at Target. So here’s, I think it was, you know, I think it might’ve been a down alternative. I don’t know, but I went on a trip recently, and I needed to take my pillow, and I thought I needed a squishy pillow that I could put in my suitcase. And so I ran to Target, and I found a great one for $25. That’s what I’m loving right now.
Rachael Adams (37:05.004)
So I’m a side sleeper and have one that has almost a cutout. My shoulder fits right up into it. And I’m telling you, I cannot sleep without that thing. And so it is important pillows, sheets, and blankets. It’s essential for our sleep. So, I know I want to stay connected with you. I’m sure listeners will want to, so tell us how we can best do that.
Donna Jones (37:31.414)
Yeah, well, you can find lots of free resources on my website at DonnaJones.org. You can also connect with me on social media, and I would love to do so. I’m at Donna A. Jones on Instagram, and Donna Jones, speaker and author, is on Facebook.
Rachael Adams (37:51.276)
Well, I’m just imagining each woman listening today is dealing with some kind of conflict. So, would you please pray for us as we close?
Donna Jones (38:00.69)
I would love to. Lord, you see every person listening right now. That woman who is thinking, “I just yelled at my kids.” Or she’s thinking, “Lord, I don’t know if I’m gonna make it with my husband.” Or, “Lord, my in-laws are driving me nuts.” God, you see her, and she’s listening to this right now because you want to equip her biblically to handle her thoughts, feelings, and opinions with grace, truth, and zero regret. God, conflict’s part of life, you know that, but in the midst of that, Lord, you have given us a blueprint for how we can move forward so that we can have unity and we can have love, and we can show the world what it means to be Christ followers. So, Lord, I pray for every person listening that you would infuse her with hope, fill her with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and love her heart so that she can love her people well. God, you would equip her in every way she needs for life and godliness. And I pray all of this in the powerful name of Jesus our Lord, amen.
Rachael Adams (39:21.916)
Amen. Thank you so much, Donna.
Donna Jones (39:24.248)
Thank you, Rachel.
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