No marriage is perfect. But every marriage can get better. Do you feel like the spark is gone? Has a critical spirit invaded your marriage? Do you want more intimacy, but something is in the way? You could be suffering from the Perfection Infection.
The Perfection Infection happens when we cultivate unrealistic expectations of ourselves and our spouse, gradually leading to intimacy-killing behavior, also known as the “Seven Slow Fades.” That was the case for Jill and Mark Savage, and it eventually led to infidelity.
In her book No More Perfect Marriages and in today’s episode, Jill speaks honestly about their struggles, how they came back from betrayal, and the principles that keep their marriage strong today. She guides us through everything we need to know to kick the Perfection Infection and return to intimacy.
On today’s show, we discuss:
- How the Perfection Infection invades a marriage–even a good marriage
- How to detect and correct the Seven Slow Fades
- How to set and communicate realistic expectations
- What to do if your spouse won’t change
- How to guard your marriage from the Perfection Infection for good
Join us in realizing that hurting marriages can heal and good marriages can become great. Your marriage isn’t perfect, but it can be perfected.
Summary
In this episode of the Love Offering Podcast, Jill Savage shares her journey of overcoming the ‘perfection infection’ in marriage and parenting. She discusses society’s unrealistic expectations of relationships and how they can lead to discontentment. Jill recounts her own marriage story, including the challenges of infidelity and the importance of forgiveness and rebuilding trust. She emphasizes the need for emotional connection and vulnerability in relationships and how God’s guidance played a crucial role in her healing process. The conversation also touches on practical steps couples can take to strengthen their marriages and the significance of being intentional in love.
Takeaways
Perfectionism can rob us of joy and contentment.
We must recognize our contributions to marital dysfunction.
Forgiveness is essential for healing in relationships.
Rebuilding trust takes time and consistent changed behavior.
Emotional intimacy is crucial for a strong marriage.
Unrealistic expectations can lead to disillusionment in marriage.
God’s word can guide us during difficult times.
It’s important to seek help and not go through struggles alone.
Slow fades in connection can erode a marriage over time.
Love is a choice, especially when it’s hard.
Chapters
00:00 The Perfection Infection: A Cultural Struggle
03:05 Jill’s Marriage Journey: From Blind Date to Crisis
06:05 Facing Infidelity: A Test of Faith and Love
09:02 The Role of Forgiveness in Healing
12:07 Understanding Trust: Rebuilding After Betrayal
15:01 God’s Guidance Through Difficult Times
17:50 The Slow Fade: Erosion of Connection in Marriage
20:48 Biblical Love: Lessons from Hosea and Gomer
24:07 Practical Steps for Strengthening Marriages
27:03 Finding Joy in the Journey: Embracing the Present
Transcript
Rachael Adams (00:01.119)
Well, hello, Jill, and welcome to the Love Offering Podcast. I’m so happy to have you.
Jill Savage (00:05.656)
Thank you.
Rachael Adams (00:08.309)
You have written many books, but three deal with letting go of perfection—no more perfect moms, kids, or marriages. As we begin, I’d love to hear if you feel the need to be perfect in all of these roles. I know I certainly do, so I’m anxious to hear your response.
Jill Savage (00:29.442)
Well, my books come from my mistakes and struggles. And so, obviously, that was a struggle for me. And, you know, I’m first born, I’m type A, and I’m a high achiever. And so, yes, you know, I have always struggled with, you know, having almost unrealistic expectations of myself. And that’s what I say: we all struggle with perfection infection. This infection occurs when we have unrealistic expectations of ourselves and unfairly compare ourselves to others. Our culture needs to help with this. We’ve got the movies that set expectations. We watch them solve life’s biggest issues in two hours or less, and we’re like, why can’t that happen in my life?
Then, when the perfection infection invades our parenting, we have unrealistic expectations of our kids, or we unfairly compare our kids to others. And then, when our perfection infection invades our marriage, we can have unrealistic expectations of our spouse or unrealistic expectations of marriage. Then, we can unfairly compare our spouses to others or unfairly compare our marriages to others. And so when that happens, whether it’s in our personal life and our parenting and our marriage, what it does is it robs us of joy and contentment. And so we need to kick that perfection infection out of our life, out of our parenting, out of our marriage.
Rachael Adams (02:12.753)
Yeah, amen. I notice, even specifically in marriages, that this is what we will mostly discuss today. Still, even if I watch too many Hallmark movies or read, you know, too much, you know, nonfiction, I can get, you know, like, well, why isn’t my husband doing that? Why isn’t he coming in on a white horse with, you know, a dozen roses and all the chocolate and everything every day? So you start to, you can even compare your husband or kids or whoever compares yourself to fake people that don’t exist.
Jill Savage (02:45.91)
Yes. Totally. We do it all the time, all the time. And we’ve got to stop because, you know, we’re just constantly setting up unrealistic expectations of ourselves and unrealistic expectations of others.
Rachael Adams (03:05.767)
Yeah, absolutely. As I said, we’re going to focus mainly on marriage today. I’d love to hear about your marriage story, how you all first met, how you proposed, and what your life has looked like together.
Jill Savage (03:20.406)
You know, so we met on a blind date, and we had two friends who wanted to fix us up, and both of us were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And finally, we both later found out that we both said fine one time, and I didn’t want to hear about it again. And so we were engaged three months later and married nine months later. I don’t know that I would read.
I recommend that. We barely really knew each other when you think about it. But how did he ask me how, you know, how did we get engaged? How do you ask me and marry him? We were driving down the road. Hey, what do you think? Shall we get married? Hey, sure. Sounds like a good idea. There’s nothing like the movies. OK.
There are prom proposals out there that are more exciting than what we had. So anyway, Mark and I now describe ourselves as being married for 41 years, 31 of them happily. And it’s not that there were ten bad years in a row. There were just some hard seasons here and there. We’d get some counsel, and things would get back on track.
Then we’d have more hard seasons, days, months, and years. And a lot of things contributed to that. We were in full-time ministry. My husband was a pastor for 20 years, so we were busy with five kids. On top of that, Mark was raised in a pretty unhealthy home environment.
He brought a lot of emotional junk in the trunk. When he realized that, he started to deal with it, but never; he used to say, I can’t get free of me. And that would just kind of dog him. And then he also struggled with depression. So he’d be emotionally up, emotionally down. And so sometimes that contributed to those hard seasons.
Jill Savage (05:35.47)
But it was 12 years ago—well, 13 years ago now—that Mark had the darkest season I’d ever seen him have. He had retired from church ministry and was running a construction business. And he, I mean, I just, he needed a break from ministry, but what I saw is that he was spiraling.
And it wasn’t just a, you know, like, this is another depression season. It like was way worse than that. And, you know, now we can look back on it. We understand he was in a full-on midlife crisis and, you know, lost himself. Who am I now that I’m, you know, he would have said my identity is in Christ. It’s not in the church. But then, when he wasn’t a pastor anymore, all of that, you know, began to, I mean, it just raised its head and, who am I, what am I needed for? You know, just so many messages that honestly, at that point, he’d been carrying around for 50 years of his life. And, and so eventually, during that midlife crisis, he had an affair. And that affair went on for almost a year.
It was. I would have made us less likely to have walked that journey. I really would have, but when somebody loses their way, they often lose their way. And he did. And so that was a deep, deep, dark year. He stayed in that affair for a long time. I stood for our marriage. I believed in our marriage. I believed that if he would return to his God, he would return to his family. And that was a tough season, but God used it to grow me in huge ways. And, I look back on it. I wish I could have experienced that growth with a different impetus than it was, but God doesn’t waste anything. And he certainly didn’t waste that in my life. On Easter Sunday of 2012, he had his resurrection, which we call his resurrection. He surrendered, and he made a U-turn back to the Lord, back to his family. And we began the healing process of what would take about 18 months to heal our marriage.
Rachael Adams (08:35.765)
I applaud your courage to share your testimony. I know it is private, personal, and painful. Still, I know how many people it will help, how many people probably suffer in silence because they aren’t sharing about it, and how important our marriages and families are. And so I’m just thankful that you’re willing to share it authentically, but you also share it. It’s easy for all of us women listening right now to point the finger at Mark. It’s like he was the only one to blame. But you are honest to say that you also contributed to the dysfunction in your marriage. So I’d love for you to talk about that.
Jill Savage (09:18.004)
Yeah. One of the things I say is I did not cause Mark’s affair, but I contributed to the dysfunction in our marriage. And I had to be willing to look at that. And anybody who walks through a difficult journey in their marriage must be willing to look at what they bring to the party. And what I brought to the party was that I’d never even heard of attachment until our crisis. And during our crisis, I started learning about attachment. Attachment is the pattern we carry from our family of origin into our adult years and ultimately into our marriage. And sometimes, you know, there are relating patterns that serve us well, and sometimes there are relating patterns that don’t. My relating pattern and attachment were avoidant attachments.
That means I avoided emotion, emotional connection, and vulnerability in our relationship. It kept me with a buck-up mindset because that was the home I grew up in. If life got hard, you buck up. And when you have a buck-up mindset, you’re not very compassionate, sensitive, or gentle.
And quite frankly, that was me. I was not sensitive or gentle, and my husband was compassionate. I had to look at that and recognize that God was calling me to move away from avoiding because he created me with emotions for a reason. And I had just turned those off because of my upbringing. I was raised in a loving home with a loving family, but we didn’t have an emotional connection. And we didn’t do emotions. You just bucked up if life got hard. And so I didn’t know what that looked like. So, I had to begin the process of moving to be a secure connector rather than an avoider.
That was just a huge change for me. One way I had to begin looking at another was that I had a critical spirit. And so I was quick to tell Mark what was wrong, what was wrong with him, and to be vital in telling me I wasn’t doing it right. And some pride played out, and the pride played out in, “My way is the right way.”
Your way’s the wrong way. All of those contributed to the dysfunction in our marriage, and I had to be willing to own them, apologize for them, and begin to change them.
Rachael Adams (12:23.219)
Yeah, the reality is, and I say this quite a bit. Still, I believe that marriage and motherhood are God’s way of sanctifying us because they bring out that we have to love unconditionally, we have to forgive, we have to extend mercy and grace and be patient and selfless and sacrificial, and all of the things that he wants to, you know, becoming more like Jesus.
Rachael Adams (12:45.849)
And so, in those relationships, this was still hard even when we were Christians and with the Holy Spirit residing in us. And like you said at the beginning, it can be, it doesn’t, it’s not discriminatory. If we all need to keep our guard up, it takes work. No matter who we are or what we believe in, we have the Holy Spirit residing in us, which will help us display those fruits of the Spirit. But all that to say, it’s, you think, this would never happen to me.
But we all need to be mindful, aware, and intentional about guarding our hearts and marriages. But then, circling back to forgiveness, I’d love to hear what that process looked like for you because that’s one of the main reasons you can still be together and married, right?
Jill Savage (13:36.438)
Yeah, you’re exactly right. But it’s interesting because when you’re dealing with something like broken trust or infidelity, you think that the person whose trust was broken is the one who has to forgive, right? But the truth is forgiveness was needed on both sides. I had to rebuild my husband’s trust as it related to having a critical spirit.
I had to rebuild my husband’s trust as it related to vulnerability in my marriage. So, both of us had some trust to rebuild, and both of us had some forgiving to do. One of the things we talk about in our No More Perfect Marriages book is that forgiveness is what we call a God tool.
It’s a tool God gives us and helps kick the perfect infection out of our marriage. One way, though, is that one of the things that we’ve identified about forgiveness is how underutilized it is. So the average married couple who’s even in a healthy relationship probably needs to use their God’s tool of forgiveness like a dozen times a day because
They’re going to bump into their spouse’s imperfections. They’re going to, you know, their spouse forgets something they promised to do or something that they asked them to pick up at the grocery store. And we need a way to not hold on to offense internally because that’s what forgiveness does. It unclutters our hearts. It keeps our hearts uncluttered and available to God. That’s for every marriage.
But when you have something like broken trust, when you have something like big, like infidelity, what we also have to understand is that forgiveness is layered. Forgiveness is very layered. By the time we were completely healed, I had probably forgiven my husband for 250 aspects of what happened. And that seems like a lot, but
Jill Savage (16:01.302)
To give you some examples, every time I would have to sit down to pay the bills, I would be reminded of how he misused the money during that time. And we had debt that accumulated during that time because of that. We did a family getaway with my parents for their 50th wedding anniversary. And I didn’t know he was having an affair at that time. And so he would excuse himself and say he needed to talk to his employees about different jobs they were doing while we were on this holiday with my parents when he was going and having conversations with her. As I found out all of these places of deception, each one had to be forgiven and worked through. So that’s what we mean when we say it’s layered. It’s not just I forgive you. And then we’re once and done. No, the hurt; we have to forgive the hurtful actions. And those become evident over time. And we have to have something to do with those. But the other piece that’s so important about forgiveness, and I don’t want us to miss this, is that people often struggle with forgiveness because they feel they will have to trust. Or the person who broke the trust is like, you need to forgive me. Well, here’s what’s important. Forgiveness and rebuilding trust are two completely different things. So somebody can forgive, but the trust is still broken. When we rebuild trust, it’s like water in a bathtub. And when we get married, we have a full bathtub of water. Sure, little things happen over time. Some of the water gets splashed out, but when something big happens, like pornography, deception, or infidelity, the water in the bathtub is drained.
Jill Savage (18:19.948)
You can’t just say, I’m sorry. Will you please forgive me? The other person says I forgive you. And the bathtub is filled up. I can’t do that. You say, I’m sorry. Will you please forgive me? The other person says I forgive you. And now all you’ve done is remove the lid covering the bathtub that kept the trust from being rebuilt. So forgiveness opens the door for trust to be rebuilt. But now.
The trust, what we say is the trust breaker, is the trust maker. And so the trust maker, who needs to rebuild trust, has to refill that bathtub one tablespoon, one-quarter cup at a time. And that takes time. And forgiveness doesn’t do that. Rebuilding trust is only done by consistently changing behavior over time.
And so it takes every time there’s consistent change behavior at every time I would struggle with something and my husband would handle it well. Like I would say, it was hard to drive by that hotel today. And he would handle it well. Then he put water in the bathtub. And whenever he was a man of his word, he would put water in the bathtub. Whenever he opened his phone to me, he put water in the bathtub. And so.
I could forgive, which opened the door for him to rebuild trust. But you must understand that forgiveness and rebuilding trust are two different things.
Rachael Adams (20:00.241)
It makes so much sense to me, and it strikes me how we can lose somebody’s trust in a moment, but it takes a lifetime to gain the trust, right? I mean, it’s… but it’s… so what… what role did God play in this process? Because again, there’s… you cannot do this alone.
Jill Savage (20:21.172)
No, I cannot. So I’ll tell you, I can remember, number one, he was my constant companion. God was my constant companion. In the midst of this, we went through a four-month separation. That was so difficult. And God’s word became an anchor for my life.
You know, the waves were crashing, and I needed an anchor. And his word was that for me. Not only that, but I’ll never forget. We were in the midst of—gosh, it was probably three days after two days, three days after I found out about the affair. And I had confronted my husband about it at a counseling appointment. I had discovered it the night before and decided to wait until we were in the counseling office, too, because honestly, I thought if I told him, he would not go to counseling. So, I was begging God to tell me what to do. Because Mark’s response was, yep, I’m having an affair, and I’m not stopping. It was, honestly, I was like, who is this man?
This is not my husband. And so I begged God, tell me what to do. Tell me what to do. Tell me what to do. I don’t know what to do. I remember I was lying flat on the ground in my family room. The carpet was wet from my tears. God, tell me what to do. And I heard only one thing: I want you to love him.
And I remember, I remember Rachel standing up, and I was looking up to heaven going, I’m sorry, God, but you got to be kidding me. You may have noticed he’s not lovable right now. And God whispered back to my heart, Jill, sometimes you aren’t either. And I was like,
Jill Savage (22:41.774)
You love me when I’m unlovable. I don’t know how to do that. I only know how to love when somebody loves me back. I don’t know how to love when love is hard. And that began with about nine months of tutoring in love. Eventually, God took me to Romans 12, nine through 21.
Romans 12, 9 through 21 became like my marching orders for love. And I would read it every morning and every night. And I would start to. I was doing my best to walk it out to the best of my ability. And it was clear; it was direct. It was sometimes challenging. It meant often taking the high road, changing how I would respond. Much of it had to do with my responses, which, if I had to be honest with myself, were very much in the flesh before this happened. God taught me how to respond in the spirit, loving, gentle, and kindly, even if it set boundaries. Sometimes, I had to set boundaries, but I could lovingly do that with the guidance of Romans 12, nine through 21. God taught me to love at a deeper level during that season of time, and I’m so grateful.
Rachael Adams (24:20.251)
Yeah, absolutely. I’m just mindful of maybe the woman listening who feels like her marriage is on life support right now, or she feels like she’s at a crossroads, not knowing what to do, or feels hopeless. How would you encourage her or him, whoever is listening today, to stay the course?
Jill Savage (24:40.586)
Yeah. Well, I would say that you have to get quiet and tune into what God’s telling you to do. His word is clear, and he gives us clear direction. And sometimes, you know, we have to dig for it. We must look for it, but I encourage her to do that. The other thing is to get help. Don’t try to do this alone. A wise person many sayings talk about wisdom, and wisdom is sometimes going to someone who can assist you. Here we are, 13 years later, and that is what we do. We’ve devoted our lives to helping other couples who are in crisis.
Through coaching sessions, we work with couples who feel like roommates or couples dealing with something as big as infidelity. We just got off a 90-minute coaching session with a couple before I got on this call with you. And then this weekend, we are at least two weekends out of the month. We don’t have one this weekend but host marriage intensives in our home. We work with one couple at a time.
We do that because we help them for three days. We stay in the zone with them, and we help them get to the heart of why they’re struggling and what’s going on. And we love that. So, whether you tap into our resources or find a local counselor, could you not do it alone? Don’t go it alone.
You don’t have to tell the whole world. You can have a small group of prayer partners, which is very important. Shame wants to keep it quiet. Therefore, shame intends to keep us isolated because the enemy wants that. The enemy knows that we have lost so much of our strength if we’re isolated. And so that’s what I encourage. First, tap into what God has for you and his word. And second, don’t go it alone.
Rachael Adams (27:11.605)
That’s good advice. And something you say in your book is that a slow fade can happen in a marriage. I read one of C .S. Lewis’s books. I think it was his in screw tape letters. It said the road to hell is a gradual one. I decided to apply it to so many different areas of our lives. It starts with a thought or a simple action and then opens it. It gives the devil a foothold, and it gives him just a little opening, and then that door continues to get wider and wider before you’re like, how did I even get here? I don’t know how I got here, but it was just those tiny moments, so what do you think some of those slow fades are, and how do we stop them?
Jill Savage (28:00.556)
Yeah. When we wrote our No More Perfect Marriages book, we aimed to make it a book for every marriage. We didn’t want it just to be a book about hurting marriages. So one of the things we did was we were like, “Let’s talk about how fades happen in every marriage.” We call it slow fade connection erosion. That’s really what it is.
So if you go to the beach and see, you know, the waves come in and take a few pieces of sand, then the waves return and take a few more pieces of sand. And we need to pay attention to those little pieces of sand. They get taken away. But if you go back and look at that beach five years later, it will look different because of erosion. Well, it’s the same thing that happens with connection in a marriage. Is that little things happen day in and day out, and they start to erode connection. When we were trying to figure out how we got here, like how we ended up in this mess, we identified some slow fades that had applied to us. We thought we were doing that just for us, but as we shared it with friends and family, they started going, “I think that’s happening in my marriage.”
And we began to realize we’re not unique in this, are we? So, there were a couple of slow fades, the slow fade of unrealistic expectations. That one robs people of contentment in marriage. And so what happens is when we have these expectations, this was a big one for my husband. So, he was raised in this abusive home environment.
And so, in his mind, he said, it would look different if I had my own family. But he’d almost created Disney Disneyland in his mind. Right. And we never looked like Disneyland. And so he was constantly disappointed because it didn’t look like Disneyland and even like an expectation that marriage should be easy. If two people love each other, it should just be easy.
Jill Savage (30:19.628)
That’s an unrealistic expectation. Marriage is hard, and it’s hard work. And so we have to be intentional. We have to learn about each other and ourselves. We have to die to ourselves. It takes work. And so, as long as we have that expectation, it should be easy. And it’s constantly challenging. Then you see we’re discontent. And so that
What happens is you spend the day in and the day out. So, for my husband, when he had his midlife crisis, we’d been married for 28 years. So, for 28 years, he’d been discontent. And that discontent moved from discontent to disillusioned, discouraged, and eventually disconnected.
And so that’s what it’s like. We’ve got to stop that slow fade. Another slow fade is the slow fade of avoiding emotion. Well, whose slow fade was that one? That was mine because that avoider wants to avoid emotion or avoid vulnerability. I saw that as a weakness, and you can’t have a good marriage if you don’t have intimacy.
We’re not talking about sexual intimacy as much as emotional intimacy to me, and that requires vulnerability. And so I was keeping our relationship kind of at arm’s length. I didn’t know that that was normal for me. That was the way that that was the way that our relationship worked. And, now, I didn’t realize something was missing in the home I grew up in. Right. And so what a difference that began to make when we started to stop those slow fades.
Rachael Adams (32:21.577)
I think it’s so good to be aware of some of those so that we can intentionally stop them and start making little moments and little shifts to move in the opposite direction. I know as we’re… this is the next question that I ask all of my guests: is there a biblical concept of love that applies to this topic? The whole time you’ve been talking, I keep thinking about Hosea and Gomer and the story of infidelity and him just continuing to forgive and accept her. Then, how does that mirror our relationship with our heavenly? You know, he talks about how we are his bride. There’s that marriage language in the Bible. So, I don’t know if that evokes any thought in you.
Jill Savage (33:09.1)
Yeah, no, I agree. Jose was a huge part of my understanding of that story. You know, Francine Rivers wrote Redeeming Love based on that. And I had read that years ago, and I do not doubt that that was in the back of my mind, even subconsciously, you know, that there just was such a call for us to love well, and sometimes love is hard, right? But as I shared, Romans 12, nine, and 21 were huge for me. And let me share a couple of big verses with you. One is the second half of verse 10, which says, outdo one another in showing honor. It doesn’t say where honor is due. It doesn’t say that. It says to outdo one another in showing honor. And I was like, Lord, help me treat my husband honorably. And that was not easy at times because he was doing dishonorable things. It wasn’t about, like, I had to learn to take my cues from the Lord, not from my husband. Another big thing for me was to bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. And I certainly felt that way in our marriage. I was feeling very persecuted. Then it says in verse 19, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God.
On the contrary, if your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he’s thirsty, give him something to drink, for by doing so, you will heap burning coals upon his head. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” And I shared that verse with him after he came home, and I was like, he asked me, how did you stay so steady, and how did you treat me so kindly? I mean, I could have done it better. Some moments were not my best moments, okay?
God was, I was starting to become more characterized by love. And so I shared this with him, and we got down to that last part where it said, if you do this, you will heap burning coals on his head. Mark goes, my gosh, you did that. I said I did that. What do you mean? He told you heaped burning coals on my head. I was said, Mark. I don’t even know what that part of that verse means. He told me to treat me better than I deserve to be treated, and I noticed it, and I felt it, and it made a difference. And I was like, I understand now. That was so powerful, giving me some specific things to do.
Rachael Adams (36:26.653)
Wow, that is powerful. Yeah, we’re called to bless those who persecute us and do good to them and pray for them. We’re supposed to love our enemies, and how odd to think that that could even be. Bless you. I’ll start over. That’s okay. Bless you. That is, that’s sound wisdom. And so thank you for sharing that. I’m just amazed at how God is using something so painful to be your purpose now, and you all are helping so many people through what you’ve gone through, which I think is incredible and something that we can all do in various ways to use what we’ve gone through to help others. And so, is there something you’re loving right now that you want to share with us? There are no rules to this one; whatever comes to mind.
Jill Savage (37:21.454)
Well, for me, I am. We live in the Midwest, and the weather will soon change. And I love being outside and trying to be much more intentional about it, knowing we will be stuck inside for a long time. And so I’m loving my front porch. I love our fire pit. I’m just loving being outside. Last night we had some work to do on the computer. I grabbed my laptop, sat outside, and did it. And so sometimes we have to make those kinds of decisions, you know, to, I don’t know, for me, it’s being in God’s creation, seeing the stars at night, just loving that.
Rachael Adams (38:11.245)
Yeah, I love the weather right now, too. I was going to. I needed to go for a walk, and it was getting a little bit dark, but I thought, know what, no, while I can enjoy the good weather, I’m going to walk outside as long as possible. I’m not going to get on the treadmill until I have to. So I agree with that, too. Fall and spring are my favorite. So, I want to stay connected with you. I’m sure listeners are going to want to. So please tell us how we can best do that.
Jill Savage (38:38.86)
Yeah, absolutely. On our website, markandjill.org. So markandjill .org. And once you’re there, you’ll see all our courses and coaching. We’ve got a blog, and all our blog content is curated. So, depending on your needs, you can easily find all of that. I’m also available on social media, primarily on Instagram, Facebook, jillsavage .author, and then TikTok, which is jillsavage. .author. If somebody is dealing with broken trust in their marriage, we have a free Rebuilding Trust guide, and you can get it at rebuildingtrust.us. We are so rebuilding trust .us. And it is just a free guide that’ll encourage you in the difficult journey.
Rachael Adams (39:39.669)
There are so many good resources. I’ll include those in the show notes, as I know they will help so many. I would also love it if you would pray for us as we close.
Jill Savage (39:50.784)
Yeah. Father God, thank you so much for allowing Rachel and me to converse. Lord, you know the needs of those out there listening right now. And I pray, Father, that that man or woman who is listening—I don’t have to ask that you’re with them because your word tells us that you are—but I do ask that they feel your presence.
And I asked Father that your word would speak clearly to them, and Lord that they would surrender the leadership of their head and their heart to you in whatever circumstances they’re walking through, that they can trust that you will not lead them astray. You may ask them to do some things that the world would say are crazy and the world would say aren’t wise.
But I pray, Father, that they would be so in tune with you that they would get their next steps, vision, and mission from you in whatever they’re walking through. It’s in your son’s name we pray. Amen.
Rachael Adams (41:03.513)
Amen. Well, Jill, thank you for sharing your testimony and helping us rebuild trust, forgive, and strengthen our marriages.
Jill Savage (41:14.562)
Thanks for having me.
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